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| braddw25 |
Posted on 16-01-2013 15:26
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So today we get 23 new executive orders from the white house. For those who may not know, an executive order in the US is an order that comes from the President and does not need to be legislated by congress. Obviously this is something that should be used sparingly and in only the most extreme situations in a so called democracy.We got 23 of them in a single day as part of our President's anti gun agenda. The most tragic part of all this to me is that a writer in the Russia newspaper Pravda recently wrote an article encouraging US citizens to fight against giving up our constitutional right to bear arms. What does it say when a Russian reporter cares more for our constitution than our President does?
Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you, and be sure of this, I will be with you always even unto the end of the age. Mathew 28:20
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| wdboyd |
Posted on 16-01-2013 16:25
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Hummm... as an armed retired career Marine I am torn. My immediate impulse is to become angry and billigerent. It may eventually come to that. But, I am always suspicious of our government.
If gun owners respond violently and in a widespread manner... it could provide an excuse for the current regime to declare martial law, declare gun owners low life rabble and use it to grab even more power and control. Which may be what they want to do.
The Russians may know this. Remember... the president told Putin that he would have more latitude after the election. All they were waiting for was an excuse.
I suggest all gun owners study up on the second amendment and the Bill Of Rights. I for one am intending on refusing to surrender my weapons and force the authorities to arrest me. This must be settled in the courts. They can't arrest us all. What is happening is unconstitutional.
Using the recent shootings of children as an excuse for an attempt at taking our rights away is disgusting and dispicable. But what should we expect from the current sitting president or democrats (socialist liberals)?
I could go on and on but I can feel my blood pressure rising. I'd better lie done for a moment or two. I truly fear for my country and our freedoms.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son Of God.
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| Derick |
Posted on 16-01-2013 16:30
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Well bradd,
in our country we have these rules to wear a gun:
- clean criminal record
- confirmation from a doctor
- psycho-test
Then you wait until all bureaucracy is served and if they approve, you will get a license to wear a gun which you have to re-new every 5 years. Then you get a gun and register it under your license.
Everything else is considered illegal arming. And we are fully satisfied with these rules. |
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| braddw25 |
Posted on 16-01-2013 16:49
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Derick, I mean no disrespect to you or your country but frankly I don't care what laws exist in other countries. We have a specific part of our constitution called the bill of rights that is supposed to protect our right to bear arms from being infringed upon. If that needs to change there is a specific process outlined for changing it. It requires a super majority vote in congress not an executive order from the president. When the President has the power to unilaterally impinge on constitutional rights that is getting very close to what I call dictatorial powers. I would feel this way if I didn't even care to own guns. Our constitution specifically says that this right shall not be infringed upon.
Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you, and be sure of this, I will be with you always even unto the end of the age. Mathew 28:20
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| braddw25 |
Posted on 16-01-2013 16:52
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I'm with you, William. If they try to take my weapons they are going to have to arrest me and then face a court battle. It won't happen without a fight that is for sure. I truly hope it does not come to that as we don't need such upheaval right now or ever.
Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you, and be sure of this, I will be with you always even unto the end of the age. Mathew 28:20
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| Derick |
Posted on 16-01-2013 17:06
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I didn't say you can't have guns but I said criminals and psycho-unstable people shouldn't. I believe they too have constitutional rights (correct me if wrong) but a gun should never fall in their hands. And you (correct me if wrong) don't have rules to filter out such people. The shooting on your schools existed decades before this incident so what is different on this one? |
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| wdboyd |
Posted on 16-01-2013 17:51
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No difference... it is just a convient dispicable excuse for our socialist liberals to do what they want to do anyway ie. progressivly take away our right to own guns. It's a play for more federal power and eventual tyranny.
Why do you think our founding fathers ensured that all Americans had a Bill Of Rights and incuded the Second Amendment to our consitution. They are meant to ensure that we can defend ourselves and to protect us from an over reaching government or developing tyranny.
Felons, and those mentally unstable cannot legally purchase a firearm as it is. By the way, Conneticut, where the school shooting took place, has the third most stringent gun laws in the USA. Legislation has not and will never stop criminals and mentally disturbed people from breaking any law.
If our congress wants to do away with the second amendment, we have procedures for doing that and it isn't by having a national facist president put out 23 executive orders. |
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| braddw25 |
Posted on 16-01-2013 22:35
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We do have rules for filtering out criminals, Derick. We have background checks that must be done before you can purchase weapons from a licensed gun dealer. The weapons used in the crime in Con were legally purchased. The individual who did the shooting did not own the guns. He took them from his mother in the process of killing her. She was the rightful owner of those weapons and she was neither a criminal nor did she have any documented mental health problems that I am aware of. The reality of the situation is that there is real evil in this world that sometimes can only be dealt with by employing deadly force. If we make it harder for law abiding citizens to own weapons then they will be at a distinct disadvantage to those who would illegally seek to do them harm.
Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you, and be sure of this, I will be with you always even unto the end of the age. Mathew 28:20
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| Lucan |
Posted on 17-01-2013 07:30
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True, but this had nothing to do with the shootings in Conneticut.
If I, as a law abiding citizen, wanted to buy a weapon without any record of the purchase I have sources for doing so. Criminals do too and NO legislation will or could stop them or me.
In reality... there is no actual gun problem... there are people problems. Moral problems ie. people without morals and or regard for human life.
But. after all, it is easier to go after guns than to change the minds and hearts of people for the better. That darn Second Amendment to the Constitution. If we could only do away with ALL guns it would be paradise. {sarcasm intended} |
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| wdboyd |
Posted on 17-01-2013 10:27
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Sorry Lucan,
I inadvertently deleted your post while quoting it in my answer. I think it happend with I deleted the your quoted portion from my reply.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son Of God.
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| Lucan |
Posted on 17-01-2013 17:41
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No problem. I've had that happen to me on several occasions.
Agreed. No amount a of legislation would have stopped a deranged killer like the one in Connecticut. I also think that your statement about changing the hearts and minds of the people for the better really hits the nail on the head.
The truth is, I do empathize with the people who have been on the receiving end of gun violence. However, I'm not convinced that knee-jerk legislation which takes away a Constitutional right is the route to go either.
To this day, I am still confused as to which states allow what guns to be legally carried in certain locations during transit. Half the time, I'm not a 100% if the weapon that I'm transporting across another state is even legal. Finding reliable information is often no help either, given the crazy entanglement of laws.
And relocating to another state that requires registration? Don't get me started on that one. |
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| Derick |
Posted on 18-01-2013 09:29
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If you consider 2nd ammendment your holy right what do you say about this.
"I mean, who set the limits of what are currently "legal" and "not legal" to own under a *right* to bear arms?
Is it legal for the average American citizen to own their own machine gun or rpg launcher
If it is the government that says owning machine guns and rpgs is illegal... Are they not infringing on people's 2nd ammendment rights in doing so?"
The point is - where is the border of your holy right.
I thinks you as a nation love guns too much.
Therefore guns are heavily scattered throughout the population and increasing the chance of getting into wrong hands when stolen or lost. You people even don't see a gun as something bad, negative so I wouldn't be supprised if there will be more killing on school. |
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| wdboyd |
Posted on 18-01-2013 10:10
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Derick,
I was going to give you a lenthy reply and retort but decided not to waste too much of my time since I really don't care what you think about this matter
I've owned many weapons for decades and am an expert with all of them. During that time NONE of them have shot a passer by in front of my house, robbed the bank a few blocks away or invaded and murdered children in the many schools around here. For that matter, NONE of them have ever done anything unless I pick them up, load them, remove their safety, point them at something and pull the trigger.
Weapons are not good or bad. That is an ignorant assertion. Good or bad indicates moral judgments. Weapons are not living beings they are mechanical creations manipulated by people.
I don't love my weapons but I assuredly love target shooting, the capability of defending myself, my home and most importantly my Constitutional Right to own them. I will never let power hungry socialist elites easily take that right away.
Of a truth, it's complete control over every facet of our lives that they (government) wants. Our weapons hinder that ultimate design as our founding fathers wisely knew. I'm proud to be an American and yes, I treasure and will defend my Constitutional Right to bear arms. |
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| braddw25 |
Posted on 18-01-2013 11:27
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I was going to reply to this, but I think all that is necessary is to say that I agree completely word for word with what William said.
Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you, and be sure of this, I will be with you always even unto the end of the age. Mathew 28:20
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| Derick |
Posted on 21-01-2013 13:44
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Another shooting. Kid kills his entire family (2adults, 3 children) with an arsenal of his parents. Clearly prooves my point that having weapons in every household is not very healthy. |
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| braddw25 |
Posted on 21-01-2013 18:57
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It proves nothing outside of the simple fact that there is real evil in this world. And to disarm those who would stop evil if given the chance would be beyond foolish.
Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you, and be sure of this, I will be with you always even unto the end of the age. Mathew 28:20
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